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Ace Dragon
I mean, I've learned a steve vai song by ear and I haven't had a FORMAL teacher. There are a lot of teachers on youtube(as a guitarist), music is win, paul davids, jens larson(i might've messsed up the first name) etc. that don't teach you songs but rather how to play.\n\nalso, shigatsu wa kimi no uso makes sense now, I was like \
Alex
So going from unconscious competence to unconscious incompetence is like learning a poem and forgetting it with time.
Alex Lee
Isnt its still called choking in games?\nI was under the impression tilting is when your emotions get the better of you and you stop being able to concentrate
Allan Dymond
Fantastic video!!
Andrei Despinoiu
3:33 _\
Austin Baker
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Axel Nilsson
hahahaha jesus man, well if ya need a teacher lemme be yours here:\n\n\nall the things you mention which you think you need a teacher for are things you only need to not be stupid, not be a narcissist and know how to record yourself, have honest ppl with good ears to give u feedback, and an ability to google, youre completely in the wrong here and youre using anecdotes to create a general rule for people in general
Benjamin Washington
I wouldnt agree that teachers are the end all and beginning of getting better. Im an opera singer who has hadddd terrible teachers who have only loved different aspects of my voice it took me stopping singing all together to understand my voice, learn it by sensation and share videos online with people to still have an outside opinion -or an indirect teacher) now its comes to the point where only I can feel certain things when they wrong in my voice, as well it took years but my ear and my voice are one. It all depends on how you learn and how willing you are to make it work. As well I can sing unconsciously but I force my mind to avoid this because I dont want to get stuck. I want to always been aware of what im doing while im doing it.
BestServedCold
One of my friends who is an amazing saxophonist had memorized a concerto but when it came to the concert he forgot what the first note was
Bigdaddysenpai
I live you sideways
Carlos Alejandro Alvarenga
I'm a singer, and I freaking have horrible stage freight. But I push myself to sing in front of people to receive feed back, and I'm even doing the talent show. Whoo, ima die.
Christopher Sanderson
True musicians only want one thing. Its that feeling of accomplishment. They don't practice hours a day for anyone else but them selves. When they finish playing a piece on stage they sit there for a second and take a deep breath, adrenaline pumping, and smile to them selves because they know they've accomplished their goal. They forget about the audience for just that moment. I guess that can be said for any performer. \n\n\nWhen you choke, you get the exact opposite feeling. The only way to prevent choking is to prepare your self. Practice the songs, make sure your instrument is in good condition before playing, sound check, get enough sleep, stay hydrated and healthy. Everything you do is leading up to your performance to make sure you don't choke. And if you find your self in a situation where you make a mistake just roll with it and remember to fix it for the next performance.
Chromatic Swing
My question is, how does this video fit with jazz musicians? If improvising, reading off the sheet music, and playing by memory seamlessly blend together, what's the deal?\n\nThis dynamic is strange in my case. I'm a jazz bassist, which means that I interpret and improvise the score in the moment constantly, at least for walking bass lines. Since we have so much music, I simply don't memorize the songs. I know them and can recognize them at a glance. There is a written bassline for me to play, but jazz allows me so much freedom that I often write new lines on the go. The sheet music is merely a suggestion now. Maybe the choke reflex is overshadowed by the improvisation reflex? When the band is so dependent on my constant quarter notes, I can't afford to screw the rhythm.
Cinnamon
I've watched this video more than once, it's so awesome. Love your channel
Cris TR
I can really relate to the automation and forgetting pieces as soon as I need to perform them... I absolutely hate it! And to be honest, I think it's worse for musicians rather than singers - obviously as a singer you could forget the lyrics but it is easier than trying to start again while playing piano for example...
Daniel Fuller
That Maria Joao Pires video is actually an incident where she expected to be playing a different Mozart Concerto than the one the orchestra started playing so she freaked out; but she then goes on to gather herself and plays through the right concerto perfectly. So really it's an insane example of stage 4...
Daniel Gould
This reminds me of the time my tai chi teacher saw me getting arrogant and asked me to show him the 12th move of the form. I saw him struggle to hide his smile as I stood there mentally going through the first 11 moves to get there, knowing that he knew that I knew he knew :P But in a decade of practising I do know that feeling of perfect flow, unconscious competance, exactly ONE TIME, I realised I wasn't doing anything, I was just watching myself doing the thing and feeling perfect flow. As soon as I noticed, of course it went, and I've not got it back again in the eight years or so since :P
Daniel Miranda Castro
I'd like to say the same thing happens in dota and it's actually pretty important that to have unconcious competence in it in order to be a good player
Danneo
Same, i had one of those 'flow' moment during my final music exam, i just butchered 3 of my performances but for my last one, it was almost as if time and space had stop and by the time my anxieties came back to me, i had already finished the piece. Even though i had played this piece thousands of time, this one time was so different and profound, and guess what? I RECORDED IT! (Despite recordings were not allowed, but i planted my phone behind the piano) So happy i captured the moment, thank god for voice memo
Debbie Garcia
Drawing/art students are just as bad, but with them what happens is a sort of opposite phenomena rooted on the idea that \
Eduardo Javier Ayala Nuñez
Flow or State 5 is just being awaken in the present instant, for a period of time sometimes. You're doing something then you're doing something but you are conscious to your doing, your position, the environment and probably \
Eon Lee Music
this is the kind of video I need to re-watch several times
Everardo Olide
This is incredibly helpful! I’m in the science field and a lot of times I can intuitively solve many problems but don’t know the precise way to solve them and struggle teaching people how to solve these problems. In helping them out, I’m forced to learn the mechanical way to solve it and reinforce my understanding of these concepts and truly become a master at these concepts
Fluff Dawg
8:35\n\nNice try, but I'm naked
Frozen ao D.M.
I am not smart enough to relate this to a memorized music, but it's kinda like the alphabet, even though I do know it and everybody knows it since first grade I still can't tell the 19th letter of the alphabet without counting it all from the beginning
Fuck No!
Buen video y muy buen consejo!
Gabriel Barbosa
YES! And this happens with every other skill possible. I was acting in a drama piece and I had a full 6 minutes monologue in it. Every hour and every day I'd practice it. On rehearsals, when not rehearsing my scene, I'd go backstage and rehearse that monologue. I thought I had it perfect. At show night, I started doing it automatically. I wasn't missing a single line. But then, someone in the first row sneezed, and boom, I choked. I literally stood there, frozen, looking at the audience, for 10 seconds (that seemed like an entire hour), trying to remember where I was. I couldn't even improvise. I could hear people starting to talk. Suddenly I remembered a line that haven't said yet. I said it and kept going from there. I managed to finish the monologue, but skipped around 1 minute of line. That was SCARY AS HELL and this video managed to put in words what I unconsciously learned that day. Thanks!
HighlandViolinist - Chantelle Ko
I remember seeing the clip at 7:44 before. It wasn't that she messed up. It was there was a miscommunication when she was hired to play and she thought she was supposed to play a completely different concerto. When the music started she had a moment of \
Hrisikesh Deka
This blew my mind
ILoveSoImAlive
learning with a teacher is a faster but more limited solution.\nlearning yourself needs more knowledge of yourself and honesty to yourself, but is a lot less limited in what you can achieve in the end.\nso imo teacher is needed for the first steps, to get some fast results, to not lose the motivation, or to get some kind of feeling of how the stuff is running. but in the end, either you will become your own teacher at some point, or you will stuck at the entry to this \
IndiaRubber Man
In my opinion it is 'The Zone' that athletes talk about, I think it can apply to musical performance as well as athletic performance. When you have practiced until you know the thing you have to do to the n'th degree and your automatic reflexes take over and you can hardly remember the last 10 minutes or it seems like a dream. That's the zone. Happened to me once on my black belt grading (30 years ago), I was performing really well and then it came to the wood breaking, I can remember standing in front of the wood and feeling all the other graders focusing on me and feeling the nerves and the pressure and then all I can remember next is walking to the back having broke the wood, I have no memory of throwing the actual kick - none at all. I had to look over my shoulder to check whether the wood was broken or not. The Zone.
JackSassyPants
This is really cool! I'm a professional musician and although I trained as an instrumentalist for years I'm actually a vocalist. I feel like there is more than one way to get around choking, not just by memorizing the sheet music by rote. The cool thing with voice is that even though we don't have exact button combinations to do we have text, and therefore implicitly built in meaning in our work. I struggle with foreign language memorization but I cannot tell you how many times I've remembered what the intention of a phrase is before my brain goes \
Jenna Mikkolainen
As a dancer, I find this concept really interesting. This's really my favourite video of yours! I feel like this explanes a lot of things that I've noticed and expands it! Thank you really much!!💕
John W. Texeira
I feel this man. This is what I go through when acting. It’s a step in the journey of loving something so much. That step 5 idea is brilliant.
Julian Dukes
The bottommost part of the hierarchy of competence is procrastinating by watching youtube videos about competence
Kevin Terrestrial
I loved this video, but I gotta disagree with you about teaching yourself music being a bad idea.\n\nDifferent methods of learning are useful for different outcomes. If your goal is to become a skilled classical concert musician, a teacher is definitely going to at least make your life a lot easier, and maybe even make what would otherwise be an unattainable goal possible. But if you want to develop a unique style of contemporary playing, teaching yourself is a great way to go. Things that in other settings would be hindrances can be incorporated in ways that set you apart from other musicians in appealing ways. In both cases you have to be deliberate and dedicated, like very few people can just mess around on an instrument with no direction and come up with something people are really gonna respond to. But autodidactic musicians have definitely made a lot contributions to a wide variety of genres.\n\nI guess I'm just sick of western classical musicians saying that all musicians should want to be western classical musicians.
Kyle Hohn
Great video! I love how coherent your ideas are and how you apply ideas from different fields to music.
Lissy Kate
This kinda broke me but also put me back together. ^^ Very interesting though, it makes sense. In theatre stuff, for instance. Cheers
Lotoreo
Eh, I disagree with a couple of things here. Although I value the art of teaching music very highly, I'm don't think you always need a teacher to improve your playing. When you're just getting started or are learning something entirely new? Yeah, I suppose it helps, but it's very possible to teach yourself new skills. It just makes it harder, not impossible, and in some cases it can actually be preferable.\n\nAlso, I agree with you're proposed 5th level, and I get the strong impression you're writing from a Western Classical point of view, where most of the time, you have to learn how to play a piece note by note as it's written on paper. This allows you to learn how to play the piece entirely by muscle memory. You don't have this luxury when you're playing a style that depends a lot on improvisation. In which case, you have to function on this 5h level all the time.
MTN HNG
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Maemi No Yume
I had that moment in 2010 when I played Tifa's Theme on a stage in my City. It's was the bigger presentation of my life, and it wasn't really big. Maybe 300 people at most. But I was incredible nervous, the person that I liked was there and I couldn't stop thinking about the situation all the time during the performance. I thought about everyone that I knew in the crowd, about the sound, the reverb of the piano, the weight of the keys, the cold on my feet, the F of the middle octave that was out of tune, just that note (and the piece is in F major, I'm so lucky). and I actually played it until the end without any mistake and it was highly emotional for me, the biggest experience in my life. I know, it's not even a difficult piece, but I was quite a beginner and the person I liked was there '-'
Marcus
Having seen the “You are now manually breathing” thing many times before, it no longer works for me. Could this be like me having actually learnt “the piece” like knowing exactly what note you are playing without having to hum?
Marvelous Quasar Pork Man
So I like the video and all but I am deathly tired of people saying you NEED to experience failure to move on in *Insert topic* . Failure itself has no value, what CAN make a mistake valuable is what you can learn from it post hoc. Ergo, if you succeed and know why you succeed it is the same as learning from failure, WITHOUT the failure.\n\nIt is entirely possible to have/produce enough information to render external input (a teacher) irrelevant, but it is so time consuming nobody does it anymore. In fact Mozart didn't need his father as a teacher for long, he always went beyond whenever possible.\n\nAs for the pyramid, you're just interpreting it wrong. It's not as cut and clear as moving up a building's floor, when you reach the top strata you sway between conscious and unconscious. \nValentina Lisitsa for example, spends most of her day practicing because on some level she understands her dexterity will go out the window if she relies solely on movement to memorize.\n\n\nWhen you mention the failing of automatic learning, even using yourself as an example, you again misinterpret something. You don't remember that specific moment because the method by which you decided to learn the piece, is to \
Matchrocket
You just answered something I've wondered about for years. I used to play in a wedding band back in the 80's. We played at other functions too but mostly weddings. We had a few hundred songs in our repertoire. To this day I cannot recall hardly any of them. I can remember many of the titles but I could not remember how to play any of them. And now I know, it's because it was muscle memory. It faded pretty quickly. What a temporary thing it is. Thank you very much. Your video was very informative.
Michael Monfils
Great video; I'm always looking for material like this to help my students. Despite my best efforts, most do not practice enough, or practice correctly, for that matter. I wonder what percentage of the population ever really experiences what being \
Mixam the Slav
3:51 AWAY! AWAY! THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mulan
That \
Narpas Sword
Would stage five be that you're conscious *about* your unconscious competence?
Nic De Houwer
git gud
Nikki Grossman
PLEASE talk about the music in Avengers Infinity War!! Especially how effective it was when they conditioned us with 10 years of movies + constant ads to be pumped and excited with the avengers theme, and then how they DIDN'T play it during the opening Marvel logo sequence. That was SCARY effective in making me feel like something bad was about to happen before the movie even started. Would love to hear your take on the whole thing!
Nikola Miklic
8:30 didn't work on me
NoPlaceLikeGnome
First
Noah Hornberger
I can play several instruments without looking. I can tell you it is not a map in your mind but in your body. The body uses it's sense of space to store locations of notes. Kind of simple actually. You create a map of space, using your body as the measuring stick. Of course the processing happens in your mind, but the data is collected and mapped into the body itself. For whatever it's worth
Not Right Music
That's one reason I got into improvisation - because I suck at remembering lengthy scores.
Okissan
3:54 THAT DAMN HANON BOOK
PandA
Sideways I'm writing a paper on the psychological effects of being a lifelong musician, you are inSPIRIN me bruv.
Patricia Bristow-Johnson
It's interesting because like...I *am* a spiritual person, and when you did the section where you were like \
Phil Snyder
I disagree with 9:40: \
PolyMatter
Great job of vocalizing something I've felt for a while but lacked the skill to communicate. Keep it up!
Remarin
Can absolutely relate to this as a digital artist! The term \
Rhodey
Stage IV: Ultra Instinct
Ricky Yoder
8:32 jokes on you I'm naked rn
Rohith Kumar
Can you link the videos sides In the video above in description?
Rougesteelproject
Tvtropes calls this the Centipede Dilemma.
Rvlakia
I couldn't help but think of how we all know the alphabet... but we always seem to start back at 'A' when trying to work out where another letter is in the order.
Sekerie Ahmed
Ah in regards to the whole breathing manually thing. It wasn't that annoying. Someone did a similar thing to me before but it instead made me super aware of my walking. So I started walking very strangely. And now I can walk pretty fine and perhaps better as I've got better control over slight changes. Also my stamina is really bad so in order to not fall to the ground I often breath as efficiently as possible manually.
Smokester Joe
It's called the ZONE bro :D
SparrowFae
So that 'stage 5' is something similar to a phenomenon I've experienced with gaming. Occasionally, I'll become aware of my muscle memory and the fact that my screen is basically just a small window, but that doesn't actually hurt my performance. Like, my executive function kicks in, but instead of getting overwhelmed by the fact that I can suddenly feel everything my thumbs are doing, I actually just start observing how my thumb movements translate into the natural-feeling motion of my avatar. It's like I'm watching myself play from the inside and it's a bizarrely enjoyable experience.
Stijn Lavooij
Very good points made, but what about musicians who are self-taught like Clapton or Hendrix? They didn't have a teacher to show them their mistakes and they still ended up mastering their instrument. I'm not salty, just curious.
Talen Lee
Btw, body mapping comes up in games and media studies. It's a concept that Marshall McLuhan called 'AUTOAMPUTATION' because he was a huge drama baby. It's also sometimes called _abnegation_, the times when your brain stops perceiving the boundaries of your 'self' at your body. Anyone who's really got into the zone with a videogame controller gets there real fast and easy, and the same happens for tabletop games and board games.
Tamim Alsabbagh
8:35 jokes on you, I'm not wearing any clothes.\n\nEdit: nvm someone made this joke
Thomas Gniewek
That was beautiful, dude! As a long term but not totally dedicated pianist you blew my mind with the distinction between memorizing music procedurally and photographically. \n\nI've definitely had the experience of freezing up in a performance and only being able to continue by going back to a certain point where I could remember how to get my hands to start doing what they were supposed to do to perform the piece. I guess I've only been memorizing two parts, the physical sequence of the entire song and the sound of it played in the right order. But it never occurred to me to actually commit to the level of being able to visualize each measure from memory!\n\nDefinitely wouldn't kill me to put a little more effort into preparing pieces to performance level. Can't wait to truly learn these Beethoven sonatas I enjoy so much; thanks for the tip!
Tim Parenti
3:51 Yuuupp… that sight sure brought back some memories…
Timothy Smith
7:43 That is incorrect. Maria João Pires did not miss her introduction. She practiced the wrong concerto and didn't know that the piece they were playing was going to be Mozart's Piano Concerto No.20 in D minor, possibly due to some form of miscommunication. She played that concerto in the last season, and had no idea that it was going to be the same one this time. She was absolutely shocked when she heard the opening bar of the orchestra. Imagine practicing and preparing for a concerto, only to find out on stage that it was supposed to be an entirely different one! \n\nBut, she somehow managed to calm herself down and stay composed, and she didn't skip a beat throughout the whole performance. It was an amazing feat that she managed to recall the whole concerto on the spot, without any prior practice. And no, she certainly didn't miss her introduction :)\n\nSee this video for more information:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS64pb0XnbI
Tristan Willcox
My percussion and piano instructors always called \
Vixx Celacea
So conscious muscle memory along with style is what flow is, is what I'm understanding anyway. \nSo say doing a flourish in a dance, a move in a video game, some strokes on a piece of paper etc would be a good example. You are conscious of the movements needed (not in so much as telling each muscle to do each thing, but kick out the leg, make a soft curved line etc) but also adding your own style to that move, like pointing out your toes on the kick, or doing a spin before landing.\nAnd you can only achieve that because you've both consciously and unconsciously learned to do effortless movements pertaining to your craft.\n\nChoking sucks. It can happen with anything to, even if it isn't from your body, like muscle memory repeating how a word is spelled, but then you actually think about the word and your brain can't remember if it started with a d or an e and it makes the rest of the natural flow break entirely.\nPeople also call it less eloquently a brain fart where what you were doing just stops and you can't for the life of you remember how to pick up what you were doing.
WondrousMoose
Fantastic video as always! I don't know that I'd consciously thought of that pyramid in that way, but I've noticed something like that in myself and other musicians. I've found it very much applies to fighting games as well in that the best players no longer think in terms of \
Xolin11
That's awesome. I've had that moment at the beginning of this year. Felt like I was harnessing the energy of everyone I've known or related to like a Spirit Bomb. I was howling with laughter. It's several notches more profound than just being 'so focused that you don't notice time passing'. It was actually more like time expanding, decades into the past and decades into the future.
Yenrz1345
I've only experienced that \
Yven Cao
7:42 She did NOT miss the introduction. The orchestra was playing a different concerto than the one she was prepared to play. After her panic attack, her muscle memory kicked in and she didn't miss a single note in the intro.
Zanzalur's Odyssey
sometimes i just forget how to walk
Zeany .T
So Ultra Instinct?
Zhynderies
Your channel is so interesting even to people who don't have anything to do with music
aotradimension
This is SO real! But I had no idea it was a thing. I'm not an advanced pianist at all, but every time I get really prepared for a test (so 'prepared' that I can play automatically) and I start thinking and getting conscious about my hands I don't know what to do and I seem to forget everything, it's so weird.
bobby43rocks
This happened to me once, during our marching band semis. At this point the entire show was just muscle memory. The night we played was unbelievably cold, to the point where underneath our stuffy hot uniforms, I could feel the winter's breath whisping along my body. The show started, and every thing was fine as usual, until we got into a portion where we had to March backwards and then make a u turn and go forward. When we got here, another cold breeze rushed by me, and Instead of making the u movement, I kept going backwards, what got me back in line was the person next to me yelling at me to get back into my form. At that point I was lucky that we constantly ran different sections of the show over and over again, and I knew exactly how to come back in.
chargingbadger1
Damn sideways. This made me rethink many many different facets of my life - I’m in highschool, and I consider myself a good essay writer. I’ve written so many damn essays on so many different books that I think I’ve reached the fourth stage - I bang out essays the night before they’re due, usually in under an hour, and get A’s on them. I’m not trying to brag here, because I realized that recently those A’s have been slipping to B’s and C’s. I think I’ve fallen into that trap of unlearning things and such that you mentioned. This video is high quality.
courtlyn louise
This video was incredibly insightful and helpful for me. I’ve been working harder recently to improv my skills as a musician, and I will take all of this with me, so thank you. Truly.
j miller
There's good information and bad information here. Nobody is going to be able to tell you the 145th note of the piece, so let's just eliminate that as a concept. In fact someone playing by ear doesn't even have written notes to refer to with a photographic memory, if such a memory was possible. I went through a period where I couldn't play anything from memory, after being successful at it for years. A well-known pedagogue told me just basically to trust my hands. To trust your muscle memory more, instead of less like is being taught here. The freeze comes from not trusting muscle memory, not because it inevitably fails and needs to replaced by something that probably doesn't exist. But you do also have landmarks or waypoints either from the page, or from the instrument if you learned by ear. You also have the melody in your head, and playing from memory includes an aspect of playing by ear. If there's anyone who never had a memory slip it's because they just aren't susceptible to them, not because they have photographic memory. There is a lot that could be studied here that hasn't been.
joseph jackson
I feel like choking on stage is somehow related to older people when they have an Alzheimer's moment
lukewarm oatmeal
I refer to body mapping as \
napppstar0
What you're calling Body Mapping is the same thing as unconscious competence, your brain is really good at packaging all the steps it takes to complete the task and the idea of the task itself. So when you call on the idea you also call on the steps. In the same way that if you drive, and you're unconsciously competent, you're not thinking about how to drive step by step. It's how humans learn, we analyze, compile and condense just like a computer. Presumably we had to do the same thing to learn how to control our bodies but don't remember because we did it as babies.
panaproanio
I used to play the guitar A LOT for like 12 or so years. Never went to conservatory tho, so I relied mostly on what you call body mapping. Then I stopped playing because I got into cinema and dedicated myself to that, but then this year I started playing again. So for my bday I asked a friend if I could play at his bar. So I made a list of songs that I knew well enough and added a few new ones and went on stage. And I froze. Like 5 times. The room was full of my closest friends and family, so they were all supportive, but it was so crazy because I'd never had problems with being on stage, either playing music or acting or whatever, so I couldn't really understand why. This video made me understand some of the things that happened. Thank you for that; I really like your channel btw.
randman21
I think I should be creeped out that this video randomly showed up at the EXACT time I need to learn all this, but I'm mostly thankful. :P\n\nI've been playing some combination of guitar and piano since 2000, but I'm really not great at either. I'm on the lowest end of intermediate at piano and sorta decent at guitar. But this year, I've noticed a greater improvement in both instruments than in all the years combined. I no longer use them as vessels to the noise I want to make, but as intricate organisms where everything works together to create a landscape of colors and emotions (don't worry, I realize I'm barely making sense). I have a far easier time picking up concepts and how they relate other ones. All I ever want to do these days is practice. Sounds like I'm finally at level 2, and looking forward to the others.
rib's sauce
Isnt unconcious competence that you dont know how well you are actually doing?
sentient8
Stage five is something called meta-conscious competence and it’s something we go over in the challenge course industry as part of training. Unconscious competence is dangerous if you’re supposed to be belaying someone up a climbing wall or clipping twenty people to a zip line one at a time for an hour. Meta-conscious competence is the understanding that it takes work to avoid unconscious competence and it’s the application of that understanding to the task at hand. You might not be thinking about the motions of checking a person’s equipment or all of the double and triple checks you do before sending them up into the trees, but you are thinking about the checks themselves and making sure you get through all of them.
the distinguished boi
Joke's on you\nI'm such an overthinker, manual blinking and breathing mode are normal to me, that's how I feel my clothes and that's how \nI talk to people
ulquiorra
I know exactly this I cant properly played Beethoven's sonata pathetique while thinking about it, if I think about it I get it wrong
תומר רוזן
first stage is overwatch competitive in a nuttshell